Sorting fonts into subfolders, Manufacturer ignored

I'm building an action to sort fonts for me. Fonts should be sorted into subfolders based on family name within a subfolder for the manufacturer. It looks like this…

The font family I am sorting has a manufacturer tag, at least according to Font Explorer…

But the Manufacturer folder is not created, only the Font Family folder. How do I tell Hazel to recognize, capture, and use the Manufacturer for a folder name?

Also, is there a way to unhide files with Hazel? Currently I am batch renaming with Forklift to remove the leading period.

Try temporarily adding a condition to match on manufacturer. Preview the rule and then click on the badge for that condition. That should show you what Hazel sees as the manufacturer, if anything. It may very well be the case that that info is not being filled out.

Mr_Noodle wrote:Try temporarily adding a condition to match on manufacturer. Preview the rule and then click on the badge for that condition. That should show you what Hazel sees as the manufacturer, if anything. It may very well be the case that that info is not being filled out.

Good advice. The test file’s manufacturer is Dharma Type. Adding a condition for Manufacturer = "Dharma Type" or even Manufacturer contains "Dharma" excludes the file. So Hazel has a condition that doesn’t work. This probably goes deeper than Hazel. Finder cannot find the file either after adding the same condition. Even searching for Manufacturer contains "a" fails.

I tried a different field: Trademark. Finder’s Get Info window shows the Trademark is "Bio Sans is a trademark of Dharma Type". Adding Trademark contains "Dharma" excluded the file. So Finder can read Trademark but Hazel can’t. Searching for Trademark contains "Dharma" in the Finder did not find the font.

Further testing found something interesting. The fonts I downloaded fail the search. But the tags are found (searching all files for Manufacturer = "Dharma Type" or Trademark contains "Dharma") in a folder used by Font Explorer (/Users/[me]/Library/Caches/Metadata/FontExplorer X/). The files are not fonts.

Edit: One more thing. When I do a generic search for "Dharma" in the finder, just in a folder window’s search field, it finds the file. I just wish I knew where it was finding it.

You shouldn't rely on Font Explorer as it's actually parsing the files. Hazel and Finder will only see what is exported by Spotlight. If you select the file in Finder and do "Get Info", you should see what's actually available in the "More Info" section. You should stick to using the attributes there.

Mr_Noodle wrote:You shouldn't rely on Font Explorer as it's actually parsing the files. Hazel and Finder will only see what is exported by Spotlight. If you select the file in Finder and do "Get Info", you should see what's actually available in the "More Info" section. You should stick to using the attributes there.

I did. I tried searching for Trademark contains "Dharma" as shown in the Trademark section of the Finder’s Get Info window. No result in Hazel, nothing found in Finder.

If you preview the condition in Hazel and click on the badge, it will show you the value that Hazel sees. Can you report back on what it shows there?

Manufacturer is empty. Copyright of the font is empty. Copyright information about this item matches. So that must be what the Finder is finding.

There is some metadata in the file for manufacturer, through. Finder doesn’t see it, Hazel doesn’t see it, but Font Explorer does. It then creates a meta tag file with the tag properly applied.

Here is the metadata for the font I am testing, which is Birra Stout from Darden Studios (mdls in Terminal):

Code: Select all: com_apple_ats_name_family = ( Birra2 ) com_apple_ats_name_fond = ( "Birra2 Stout" ) com_apple_ats_name_full = ( "Birra2 Stout" ) com_apple_ats_name_postscript = ( "Birra2-Stout" ) com_apple_ats_name_style = ( Stout ) com_apple_ats_names = ( Birra2, "Birra2 Stout", "Birra2-Stout", "Copyright (c) 2008-2016 by Darden Studio. All rights reserved.", "Darden Studio", Stout, "Version 2.000" ) kMDItemAuthors = ( "Darden Studio" ) kMDItemContentCreationDate = 2018-10-22 04:33:04 +0000 kMDItemContentCreationDate_Ranking = 2018-10-22 00:00:00 +0000 kMDItemContentModificationDate = 2018-10-22 04:33:05 +0000 kMDItemContentType = "public.opentype-font" kMDItemContentTypeTree = ( "public.opentype-font", "public.font", "public.opentype-font", "public.data", "public.item" ) kMDItemCopyright = "Copyright (c) 2008-2016 by Darden Studio. All rights reserved." kMDItemDateAdded = 2018-10-24 15:59:53 +0000 kMDItemDateAdded_Ranking = 2018-10-24 00:00:00 +0000 kMDItemDisplayName = "Birra2 Stout.otf" kMDItemFonts = ( Birra2, "Birra2 Stout", "Birra2-Stout", Stout ) kMDItemFSContentChangeDate = 2018-10-22 04:33:05 +0000 kMDItemFSCreationDate = 2018-10-22 04:33:04 +0000 kMDItemFSCreatorCode = "" kMDItemFSFinderFlags = 0 kMDItemFSHasCustomIcon = (null) kMDItemFSInvisible = 0 kMDItemFSIsExtensionHidden = 0 kMDItemFSIsStationery = (null) kMDItemFSLabel = 0 kMDItemFSName = "Birra2 Stout.otf" kMDItemFSNodeCount = (null) kMDItemFSOwnerGroupID = 20 kMDItemFSOwnerUserID = 501 kMDItemFSSize = 138436 kMDItemFSTypeCode = "" kMDItemInterestingDate_Ranking = 2018-10-22 00:00:00 +0000 kMDItemKind = "OpenType® font" kMDItemLogicalSize = 138436 kMDItemPhysicalSize = 139264 kMDItemPublishers = ( "Darden Studio" ) kMDItemVersion = "Version 2.000"

Darden is listed five times: three listings for "Darden Stdio" and two copyright references. Hazel is able to find only one instance, the second Copyright reference (note the different ©).

This is the same copyright listed in the Finder’s Get Info window:

Search terms that have not worked in Hazel:

Finder can find at least three:

The font manufacturer is stored in the file in at least five places, but Hazel can only find one of them, and it's not the one I would like.

Edit: Hazel seems to be doing the same thing as the Finder, but the search had to match exactly. Searching for "Darden" failed, but searching for "Darden Studio" worked.

This means I am able to create a subfolder for Publisher (if the tag exists) but not Manufacturer. This is not ideal, but it is an improvement. Thanks for helping me follow through with this. I am constantly impressed with Hazel’s usefulness.

The problem is Font Explorer is not exporting that data. Hazel (and Finder) only see what the Spotlight importer allows it to see. Even if Font Explorer can read that info, it doesn't provide that info to the system for other apps to use.

Font Explorer has nothing to do with the files I am working with. I mentioned Font Explorer because it is able to read the Manufacturer data in the font, but the Finder and Hazel are not. Font explorer does not modify fonts imported into its catalogue, except to sort them into its folder structure. It seems to create a separate file to store metadata for each font file. The fonts I am sorting have not been imported into Font Explorer (except the one mentioned for testing).

Nonetheless, an app of some sort must provide the Spotlight data so the rest of the system, including Hazel, can see it. If not, then you'll have to come up with a script which runs a special program that can provide that info.